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Date Posted:06/06/2012 02:08:59Copy HTML

Hi
I have just bought an RB44 chassis-cab and have had a bit of a look through the posts but couldn't find answers to my questions;

1) Why does the RB44 rust under the windscreen corners? I mean is it because that's where rain collects or is it because there's water gets in the A-Pillar or what? Really the question is actually - how do I stop it?

2) Has anyone else got a chassis-cab and put it through an MoT without a back-bit ? If so do you have any hints/tips/tricks - specifically lights and mudguards.

3) Does anyone know what the connectors are that are on the wiring loom to the rear light clusters and where you can get them?

As per my other post - does anyone know if that pile of bits from Boughton was purchased (by who) as there's a few bits in there I would be interested in. 

Thanks

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Re:RB44 Rust and Stuff

Date Posted:06/06/2012 03:04:42Copy HTML

 OOOps - sorry forgot one thing - on the back of the RB44 close to the chassis member near the back NS/LHS wheel there's a strange contraption that looks like a brake valve thats got some kind of spring balance adjustment - what is it ?
Not sure how to include a picture otherwise I would post one here - see if I managed to put it in my profile

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Re:RB44 Rust and Stuff

Date Posted:06/06/2012 04:49:01Copy HTML

 Thats the load sensing valve (LSV) on your rb44 it is the same as the ones fitted to the renault midliner range, not the same as the dodge 50's.

your other questions.

1. all/most rb44 / dodge 50's rust there, water does get in through the screen rubber but I think it more down to bad design (cab originally designed for american dodge B200 so not made for such a wet place.

2. ok to mot it with no back you will need mud guards / wheel arch's, any moving part needs to be covered, like propshafts, any sharp or protuding objects need to be removed / covered (body mounting points for example) the list will go on, maybe phone vosa they can be very helpful.

3. I might have some rear loom light cluster connectors for the RB, will check for you tomorrow.


I have no idea if they sold the spares they had, i didn't have 8k to buy it, they might still have it or might have dumped it (yes they do silly things like that)





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Date Posted:06/06/2012 05:52:52Copy HTML

 Thanks that is all really useful.

If you are looking for the rear lights I also need the bits for the steering column (everything except the steering wheel basically) indicator / lights stalks and  cowel / front etc. 

OPTIONALLY May also be up for a fuel tank assembly in good nick (inc cap, sender, straps and chassis brackets) depending on price.

I saw someone asking if the HUGE steering  wheel could be replaced with something sensible but didn't see any valid responses - do you know if anything smaller fits?

With respect to the LSV  what exactly does it do (other than leak and break according to all the other posts!)

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Re:RB44 Rust and Stuff

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the Lsv controls the brake pressure to the rear brakes depending on the load might have steering column bits will check, I have a tank with cap sender and decent straps for 80 plus 15 for courier
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Re:RB44 Rust and Stuff

Date Posted:07/06/2012 09:04:27Copy HTML

 Ive stuck things thorugh MOT as chassis cabs, did put the mud guards on but didnt cover proposhaft or really do anything else.
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@Karrier - don't know if you had a chance to look at the stock yet but have a picture of what I have and the bits I need are obviously conspicuous by their absence !

[IMG]http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb434/dmerry/RB44/WSV-2012-05-26038.jpg[/IMG]
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thanks - did the chassis cabs already have an MoT (e.g. a renewal or a new first time MoT)?

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Re:RB44 Rust and Stuff

Date Posted:07/06/2012 03:23:13Copy HTML

 I got the cowling but only have the comlpete column switch set up for the mk 1 dodge 50's and they are different, i  have for mk2 & RB44 a hazard switch knocking about, will also have the wiper arm switch, its the indicator / horn / main beam bit that the wiper & hazzard switch fit to that I don't have, well I have but i am 99% sure its broken.

The only rear lights I have use the round pin connections but they have no lenses, i suggest a trip to a motorfactor, LDV use the same units as on the RB as far as I am aware (rubberlight).

Do you need the rear part of the loom with light connections too?
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@Karrier

Sorry if I'm being thick but what does "use the round pin connections" mean?

I want to get the original RB Lucas screw on circular military lens type and yes I need the whole assembly with about 30-40cm of trailing wire that ends in a black plug. I think the plugs are still present on the ends of the loom so dont want to start hacking, if anything would prefer to put rubbolite ones (or similar) onto the RB44 plug.


Where is the hazard switch - I thought it was on the dash and yes-again I need everything so if I can get an assembly with the indication and lights and everything like shown in the RB44 parts manual chapter 2-6-1-2 page 2 (pdf page 398) part ID 25 (and 32) but I don't know if I need the other bits (6, 7, 8 etc.)

The good thing is that I'm not in a massive rush as WSV didn't deliver it yet.


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Re:RB44 Rust and Stuff

Date Posted:07/06/2012 05:28:39Copy HTML

 It was a luton, too tall to get in my workshop for repairs so I took the body off, and didnt see the point in putting it back on before it had an MOT. MOT had been out for about a month or something. Logbook said box van, dont know if that makes any difference.
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Matt

Thanks
I think (suspect) on a first MoT they may be a bit harder than on a renewal. 
Does the first one have to be done by VOSA depot?

I have been thinking about this and probably the sensible thing is to have a usable "ute" back which would cover all the moving parts then I can pick up stuff, so I'll probably do that before sticking in for MoT.

BTW if anyone knows where to buy the right sized wheel arches mudguards for the rear that are just over 20cm wide and just over a metre tip to tip - otherwise it's time to learn (re-learn) fibreglassing techniques! OMG !

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Re:RB44 Rust and Stuff

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Rear lights would be more affordable if you just wire up some light units your-self.  Lucas MOD spec lights seem to run about 25 quid a light. X by 6 !    cheaper to learn some basic auto electrics.
If you Plate it as a commercial you will need more than just the MOD lights. You need outline markers as well as rear sidelights. &  Under-run bar/bumper.    Some guys must have mot`d as other than commercial ie. Class IV possibly. For private use as you wouldnt be able to carry any load  due to ULW being 3 tonne to start with. As for your steering shroud etc, you need someone scrapping a Renault Dodge 50 Series II.  Headlamp/indicator switch /stalk have been seen for £45 on e bay in past (lucas part)

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 hazzard switch should be on the steering column unit that you have missing, I have one plus some of the other bits but not all, will take a look in my container later to see what else I can find, I know I have the cowling, hazzard, wiper stalk but think the only indicator / main beam unit I have is broken, will see what I can find.

I doubt you will find any wheel arch's sides, you will have to make something up I reckon.

the round pins i mentioned were about a black plug male socket which has pins but I don't have any RB lights / lenses.
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@Karrier

Cool - thankx
I thought the hazard switch was on the dash !?
I'll go and see if I can find a froward looking picture of the instrument binacle

Just give me a list of what you have and how much then - did you see the PM (I haven't looked if you replied yet)


Just saw on the picture in the thread above - looks like the hazard switch is to the RHS of the speedo
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Re:RB44 Rust and Stuff

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 Hazard switch is on the dash, you can see it on your picture, on the left, it has the red lens showing.
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Some have the hazard switch on the steering column tucked under the indicator stalk on the left, which is where the 1987-1990 mk2  had the main light switch which got broken far too often due to it getting knocked by the left knee, was a very silly place to put it so they moved that too the dash (like the original Mk1 dodge 50).

as the rb's have a different light switch from the dodge 50 the hazard switch started on the column & then moved to the dash

By the way Whats the chassis number on yours?
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 Chassis number TBD
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Chassis number is R37667RB 900661
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So yesterday was a day of good things and bad things . . . .

Good things

Truck was delivered and it was determined that it did run fine but didn't start on the button because the batteries were removed with the body - so on a bump start - all good engine sweet as a nut.
New battery fitted, after a couple of initial "click" moments it turned over and started.
Hidden under the comfortable passenger seat ! was the rear lights and shroud and steering wheel centre (but no indicator stalks)

Bad things

A quick look under the bonnet revealed the removal of the brakes bits (master cyl, servo, reservoir etc.) :-(
There was some damage to the fibreglass wheel arch that I don't remember from the viewing day
Once the battery was fitted it was possible to see that stuff didn't work like the headlights etc.

 

What I am urgently in need of is the RB44 wiring diagram - does anyone know where that is?

DF

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Date Posted:21/06/2012 06:47:56Copy HTML

have servos & master cylinders here if you need one

your rear chassis looks clean - like the caps on damper top mounts to keep threads clean
it seemed like a good idea at the time
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Hi Chugg
Are they RB44 or S75 or what?

If you want to pm me to talk about how 
Much etc.

Thankx
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Re:RB44 Rust and Stuff

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[Q]Reply to downforce(21/06/2012 14:44)

So yesterday was a day of good things and bad things . . . .

Good things

Truck was delivered and it was determined that it did run fine but didn't start on the button because the batteries were removed with the body - so on a bump start - all good engine sweet as a nut.
New battery fitted, after a couple of initial "click" moments it turned over and started.
Hidden under the comfortable passenger seat ! was the rear lights and shroud and steering wheel centre (but no indicator stalks)

Bad things

A quick look under the bonnet revealed the removal of the brakes bits (master cyl, servo, reservoir etc.) :-(
There was some damage to the fibreglass wheel arch that I don't remember from the viewing day
Once the battery was fitted it was possible to see that stuff didn't work like the headlights etc.

 

What I am urgently in need of is the RB44 wiring diagram - does anyone know where that is?

DF

[/Q] I think I have an 18 fuse wiring diagram, well I know I have, am sure it's the one you need, can post you one just send a donation via paypal greg@dodge50.co.uk or use the basket link above^ I deffo don't have one online unless it's hiding in the rb44 manual on the main website, I can't really check cos I am on my phone.
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 Thanks - done
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ok cheers will post it out tomorrow
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servos/master are Mk2 S46/56 (bulkhead mounted) - not familiar with the RB44 but was under the impression that they also used the servac100 units found on Mk2 S46/56 - will post up a photo or two shortly ...

(what I have was in GWO when removed from my vehicle a couple of years ago during upgrade to S75 air-over-hydraulic system, dry stored since removal)

edit, photos added - choice of 3 good servos, one master cylinder looks rusty and seized (sat a while), the other - the one I used to drive around on, which was in GWO - the piston is stuck down inside the housing so would suggest they are only suitable for overhaul now (and providing a resevoir etc. if needed)

as for price, feel free to make a reasonable offer for whatever you think you can use/would like as a spare - you can PM me if it's what you are looking for (courier delivery will be £9 if you send payment via Paypal as a gift)

it seemed like a good idea at the time
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 Hi Chugg

Guess what - I have no idea what it looks like, as I don't have have one to compare it to.

I'll try and figure out what the right one is like

I would also be interested in how you convert the brakes 
I assume what you did makes them more effective?

Is there another threading brakes upgrades somewhere?

Cheers
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JFB will be able to confirm when he sees this as he has run one (a late RB44) for a number of years

The schematics for servo and air assisted systems are in the workshop manual

I wouldn't know if the air over hydraulic system is any more effective than the servo-assisted system as have not driven a RB44 and could not get the brakes to work at all (despite many attempts!) before sourcing and fitting the air system
(as I understand it, the air operated parking brake does apply more force than a conventional cable-operated)

I like the added advantage of having compressed air to hand with the S75 system (although there are a lot of components to potentially go wrong in it) but the main reason I fitted was out of desperation - was too ignorant to succeed in getting the brakes working on the servo-assisted system!


it seemed like a good idea at the time
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 15mb copy now available [url]http://www.dodge50.co.uk/Downloads/[/url]
copy in the post too, sorry it took so long, finding an a3 copier was not so easy so I got a printer to scan & print me some, so I just uploaded it, it will take a while to download due to size but quality is very good, it is in .jpeg format.

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 to upgrade the RB44 to air / hydraulic you would need to replace the rear drums / backplates & all fittings, the LSV should be ok as its the same as the renault midliner type, you would need to replace master cylinder, add a foot valve, add compressor, add ait tanks, at least the front brakes are the same as the S75 on the RB44.

Quite a big job, just ask Chugg.
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 OK well I'll see what I can do with the default set up - I managed to pick up a few bits & pieces along the way but havent had time to pee - so I hope to spend some time this weekend looking at it.

Thanks
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I found the compressor awkward to fit (access to bolts securing base-plate to compressor restricted) and it obstructs access to the injection pump once fitted

I wasn't lucky enough to get the steel air feed pipes that run between the inlet manifold and comp. intake/comp. out and main sensing tank (tendancy to corrode anyway) and had to spend time making up some to suit (I used a system from Greg's old 4236 van but sourced a compressor to suit the Phaser - similar system but pipework different)

did manage to track down a new replacement check-valve (after loosing the one I got with system and being given a corroded/deformed used one from a friend) which helped reduce compressed air working it's way back from main (sensing) tank - know of at least one owner who struggled to detect air leaks causing the system to loose almost all pressure over a period of hours (rather than days) when left parked with engine off - best to obtain a complete known working system if possible (new replacement foot/quad protection/quick-release valves and spring brakes don't appear easy to find but can usually be rebuilt by someone familiar with them - internal workings/settings)

my 323 chassis was factory pre-drilled with all the mounting holes for the various air components, which made life easier but left little room for the standard exhaust silencer (having fitted a transfer box) and spent time fabricating/re-routing a new system from scratch

it was a slow process with numerous set-backs for me as someone with no prior knowledge of air systems (or Dodge 4WD for that matter) - very much in at the deep end but learnt a lot (and still learning)

'just' need to sort out my slack high ratio chain now ...




it seemed like a good idea at the time
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Chugg

I still would get your brake bits but haven't got a price and/or a method to ship/collect


DF
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