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Date Posted:11/03/2005 10:37:44Copy HTML

23 steps to getting that heater matrix out below and it's not easy.  

Heater matrix removal

1 disconnect battery

2 disconnect screen washer pipes at wiper end and remove remove wipers

3 raise bonnet

4 remove the outside panel below the windscreen with seven crosshead screws fixing it

5 remove air intake ducting from bulkhead to heater blower (inner drivers side wing)

6 disconnect two heater hoses at the heater tie the hose ends above the header tanklevel.

7 remove the four nuts securing the heater to the bulk heads

8 remove the engine covers front and rear in cab (the first engine cover attaches to a u shaped eliment which attaches to the floor and bulkhead by 4 x 10mm head bolts

9 remove the two air ducts from the heatre to facia level vents

10 using a small probe, compress the spring retainer and remove the heater controls knobs

11 on 4.236 engines remove the air intake elbow at engine

12 remove the four cross head screws securing the heater control panel trim, withdraw trim and disconnect the two connections to the cig lighter (if fitted)

13 remove the two cross headed screws securing the heater control unit to the crash roll

14 remove steering colum cover (the plastic bit where the keys / light stalks are)

15 remove the six cross headed screws securing the instrument panel to the case, remove speedo cable.

16 withdraw the speedo/gauge panel drawing forward enough to get to the four screws fixing the whole unit to the dash (crash roll)  

17 remove five cross head screws securing the crash roll (dashboard) need two people to do this

18 remove two crosshead screws securing crash roll to engine bulkhead

19 ease crash roll opwards and support

20 remove heater control from crash roll

21 withdraw two illumination lights from control unit

22 disconnect the demisting ducting from heater

23 withdraw heater unit and control panel and remove through passenger door taking care not to lose coolent all over the place.

And there you have it, one of the most mad jobs there is, what a bad design fault eh, i reckon it would be quicker to run the water pipes to another mini rad in the cab with a small motor / fan blowing through it, I might even try it, this wont help with demisting though. I AM SURE SOME BRIGHT BODGER CAN THINK OF ANOTHER WAY, I HOPE. KARRIER 

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Date Posted:14/03/2005 04:56:36Copy HTML

i reckon it would be quicker to run the water pipes to another mini rad in the cab with a small motor / fan blowing through it, i might even try it, this wont help with demisting though.

I AM SURE SOME BRIGHT BODGER CAN THINK OF ANOTHER WAY, I HOPE.
That's what I've got and it works just fine!
Still no engine though. I got the thing started up yesterday but there is so much smoke everywhere I have to drive it whilst breathing through a tube out the window!
Funny thing is it starts great and runs fine (apart from the tonk tonk tonk noise). All my previous starting/battery probs were caused by one little burnt out earth cable at the front between the engine and the chasis. The guy I bought it off used easy-start to get around an electrical problem.
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Date Posted:14/03/2005 05:38:07Copy HTML

Have you tried runnung your engine with the injector disconnected yet?

You may get a pleasant surprise in terms of tonk-tonk and smoke.

J 

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Date Posted:17/03/2005 11:10:59Copy HTML

I use one of those 12volt fan things that you always see in lorry cabs propped up against the windscreen seems to do the trick and if your hot and bothered clip it on the engine box handle and encourage a nice draught around the netherlands. did use my dog to wipe the windscreen but gave up trying to train him not to use his backside and falling in love with the chammy...
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Date Posted:23/03/2005 06:12:14Copy HTML

Hi guys, Just joined!  We have a horse box built on a Dodge 50 (S46 Series).

I have a related problem (I think)... I can't even hear the blower fan running.

I have checked the fuse (ok) and the switch (confused).  I know that wi the blower switch in the first position, 4Amps is drawn through the fuse, but nothing else on the 2nd switch position.  No fan noise.

So.... Where is the blower fan located...?  I'm guessing that if I follow the 23 steps down to step 5 I'll see what's what...but maybe you have some other suggestions?

My confusion over the switch is that according to my continuity tester, neither of the poles are working...but when in situ, 4amps is drawn through the fuse, so I'm not sure now!

Warm air does drift up through the vents eventually, but would be better if there was a bit of blower help maybe!  Would I expect to hear the blower running even if the matrix was blocked?

Richard (also in Sussex)

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Date Posted:23/03/2005 09:58:23Copy HTML

On some electric motors, the speed is controlled by either having the the field winding in series or parallel with the armature.

I guess that you get 4 amps in parallel, and no current in series - Perhaps the brushes are stuck - x - If you say your prayers regularly, you may be able to squirt WD40 into the fan to loosen the bushes - x - sometimes you can drill a hole in the casing at the right place - x - sometimes, of course, you can drill through something important.

Good luck. - x - J

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Thanks Jammiedodger,

 

I'll give that a whirl....but the fundamental  question is.... where is the motor!  I need to know roughly where to start looking - I'm guessing driver's side somewhere from the description of getting the meater matrix out?

 

Cheers!

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Howzabout following the heater wires? J
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Thanks Jammiedodger,I'll give that a whirl....but the fundamental question is.... where is the motor! I need to know roughly where to start looking -
The heater blower-motor is fitted   in the front wing-box. Accessible from under the bonnet.       Usually RHD vehs in the LHS wing. Or LHD vehs in the RHS wing. Ubforunatly this remote fitted blower is not very effective, because it draws in air from under the wing, to be pushed from 5-feet of plastic-ducting through the heater matrix.       Alternatively follow the 2-tone green/yellow wires leading to the wing-box.        The basic Dodge wire - colour -coding is the same as Mini 1980.Landrover Series III and Ford escort 1980.       Here in eastern Europe we have vastly increaced the standard heater performance, - even by keeping the standard matrix.     yours LR-exporter
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Here in eastern Europe we have vastly increaced the standard heater performance

Please tell us how you vastly increased the perfomance of teh heater lr. J

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Date Posted:24/03/2005 04:19:27Copy HTML

right hand drive dodge50 has heater motor on its right hand side inner wing, ie drivers side / off side, don't know about left hand vehicles though

i have written this about 100 times and cannot post on my own site, i hope this goes up ok, i cannot email anyone or anything so i might just smash my laptop and bloody datacard

 

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Thanks guys!  A nice job for the weekend then...when it's not raining and when its not in use...Argh!

 

Have a good easter everyone!

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Yep dead right Karrier on the location. The LHD is in the same place !.Remove large flexible pipe going to centre of bulkhead ( As a matter of interest you can look at both matrix through that bulkhead hole!!)

At the opposite end of the large tube removed you find the Blower in the wing .You need to remove the Washer bottle to get to it.Also running down to this Blower box you will see cables in the corner for the heater. If you reverse them at the Bullet type connectors the cylindrical fan will rotate in reverse ! I did this with mine for a mild blow (better than NON) because the thing started to smoke from the winding when the cables were in the correct coresponding positions after repairing the fan motor !????

I`m sure you could explain this to me Jammie even if you dont Know where the fan is !Perhaps it was burning WD 40 that I had  squirted in through the varios holes I drilled through the drivers side Wing !!

 
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Jammie even if you dont Know where the fan is

Is it better to give a man a fish or learn him to fish?

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Jammie even if you dont Know where the fan isIs it better to give a man a fish or learn him to fish?
OK. OK - Lads. You got it right. The blower-fan was always fitted in the RHS-wing. ( Seen so many cold weather conversions here, forgot what was original ) Surely if you reverse the blower motor - cold air is going to be blown through the drivers (RHD)RHS  outer foot ventilator, even when blinded off or not.     Meaning   -     another draught   -      your LR-exporter
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Please tell us how to do a cold weather conversion lr?

 

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Hi Comrades,just thought I`d spice things up a little last night.  Although I never gave it anymore thought when I was Attempting to fix the blower as to what I had actually finished up with.It came to me that the there were 3 cables to the blower.I think 1 for each of the 2 speeds.These were what I reversed due to me finishing up with motor goin in reverse and not wanting to run on fast setting without smoking ! So with a switch that only worked in one position I connected the cables so as to just run on slow setting. This had the effect of a Gentle  Breath on the screen.And I managed with that rather than nothing at all. Oh the joys of runnin old motors !  Anyway I can imagine that all this drivel of mine is of as much use  as a rusted out van floor.   Regards and good luck   .      GONE FISHIN       JFB 
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Please tell us how to do a cold weather conversion lr?

          First stage in the process is to firmly attach Hat & Gloves ,2nd stage gets a little technical so its possible I would

          lose you guys !.  I`ll consult the manual while I`m waiting for a Bite.         Catch Y`all later folks. 

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Please tell us how to do a cold weather conversion lr?
Long story - Jammiedodger - after 20 years dodge heating can fill pages !!!!!       One aspect is to get a good air pressure passing through those 2-matrix elements fitted each side of that air-collector-box.             After the elephant-trunk-type-duct is removed, one can see 2 - fresh-air-vents going-in opposite that air intake. They feed fresh-air ( whether switched on or off ) through the facia,horizontaly over the engine cowling.  These  rectangular fresh-air-vent in the metal box measure 4 x 9 cms and should be blanked off  with 2 metal plates approx 5 x 10 cms stuck over them.     These vents stole the main blast of the blower ( one should say  - the main BREATH of the blower ) Those fresh-air regulators on the radio-facia can stay in situ for decoration puposes, otherwise useless and did count for loss of blower pressure.   Does this help ?      Do you want the next instalment !!! ???       your lr-exporter
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Do you want the next instalment

Yes please Sir - Jammie

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Well guys, thanks to your guidance, I now have the blower motor and fan in my hands.  The motor is siezed, I can push the vanes, but can see them turning on the shaft.  I will dismantle it later and see if I can get some life back into it, or more likely, I will give up and mount a 12V fan iside the metal housing at the end of the elephant tube thing.  Since it's easter and I can't buy a fan at the moment, I'll try for a motor repair first!

 

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Well guys, thanks to your guidance, I now have the blower motor and fan in my hands. The motor is siezed, I can push the vanes, but can see them turning on the shaft. I will dismantle it later and see if I can get some life back into it, or more likely, I will give up and mount a 12V fan iside the metal housing at the end of the elephant tube thing. Since it's easter and I can't buy a fan at the moment, I'll try for a motor repair first!
Specview.   That is absolutely the best thing to do. Discard the factory fitted blower/fan unit !!!! The law of physics says fit a blower -fan straight on to the air-collector box. Thus disposing  95% of that  elephant snorkel. The remaining 5 % acts as an adaptor from fan to airbox intake..       Alternatively, use a fan blower taken from an Austin-Metro (about 1986 vintage ) also of Smiths manufacture, but of efficient compact snail-shell design.  They have plastic casings  and easy to cut down to size. The square air outlet is a nice tight fit into  dodges air-box..    All you need is a silcon filler to make up square to rectangular, thus making it air tight with no blow loss.       If you dont do the latter, - you might as well keep the snorkel.!!!!    Let me know should you have difficulties,  -  their are more solutions        your lr-exporter
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Thank you very much for your excellent informations lr - x - Jammie
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           I too am grateful ,for I now know what is ment by Blow Job ! ( A Dodgey Blow Job even !)
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I too am grateful ,for I now know what is ment by Blow Job

Talking of which, are you the John Byrne who used to have "a crush" on Mrs Potter?

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Alas no my friend,  Its usually the girls who get the crush !!      I just hide away fix`n trucks so as not to break too many hearts.            This guy you mention ,  Was he modest & humble also ?

 


            
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His modesty quotient may have matched yours JR, but, after forty years  . . . J
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