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Karrier

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If you are down in the dumps because your dodge is not happy at starting in the cold weather then maybe you are not starting it correctly.

You need to first turn the engine over for a short burst, then hold the key in the ignition at the point just before the starter kicks in, the ignition lights should dim when doing this, only a little but they should, hold for 10 to 15 seconds and with your foot right down on the throttle (and the clutch too), then flick the key and turn the engine over.

In very cold weather you might need to do this a couple of times or hold the key for longer.

This is how you get the "thermostart" to work, this is the thing that preheats some diesel and adds it as a spray into the air inlet manifold to aid starting.

"Nothing travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws." Douglas Adams

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What a life saver. I have just bought a 25 year old Dodge S5.6 converted to a horse box and have been struggling to start it - especially throught the cold snap we are having. Giving up in dispair, I read the info below and 'hey presto', like magic, the good old perkins diesel kicked into life with little bother. Many thanks.

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If you are down in the dumps because your dodge is not happy at starting in the cold weather then maybe you are not starting it correctly.You need to first turn the engine over for a short burst, then hold the key in the ignition at the point just before the starter kicks in, the ignition lights should dim when doing this, only a little but they should, hold for 10 to 15 seconds and with your foot right down on the throttle, then flick the key and turn the engine over.In very cold weather you might need to do this a couple of times or hold the key for longer.This is how you get the "thermostart" to work, this is the thing that preheats some diesel and adds it as a spray into the air inlet manifold to aid starting.

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If you are down in the dumps because your dodge is not happy at starting in the cold weather then maybe you are not starting it correctly.You need to first turn the engine over for a short burst, then hold the key in the ignition at the point just before the starter kicks in, the ignition lights should dim when doing this, only a little but they should, hold for 10 to 15 seconds and with your foot right down on the throttle, then flick the key and turn the engine over.In very cold weather you might need to do this a couple of times or hold the key for longer.This is how you get the "thermostart" to work, this is the thing that preheats some diesel and adds it as a spray into the air inlet manifold to aid starting.

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Hi Karrier

Read with interest your tips on cold starting. Do you have any advice for starting my dodge S56. (Horsebox) 1984. It has a preheat button and a starter button. Never sure how long to hold in pre-heat button and whether it actually works! The ignition key doesnt actually turn engine. The starter button does this. When the ignition is first turned on there is a loud buzzer noise, is this part of the ignition start procedure? Starting is always hit and miss!!   Any help appreciated.

Many thanks.

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When the ignition is first turned on there is a loud buzzer noise, is this part of the ignition start procedure? Starting is always hit and miss!! Any help appreciated.Many thanks.

            The Buzzer is likely to be the Brake Vacuum warning. See the Vacuum gauge next to the Speedometer. When engine starts the needle probably moves from low to high & buzzer stops.

It could be your brake vacuum   has a small leak and is replenished when engine starts.   This has been normal on my MkII`s   . So long as warning buzzer does`nt come on when driving.   All OK      JB

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works great!one question why the foot on the clutch as well?

1980 s46 mk1 and 1980(85reg) s66 mk1

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It takes the strain off the engine because if the clutch is not pushed down the gearbox inputshaft also turns, so when the pedal is pushed down it saves ya battery that little bit of extra umphh

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ah ok thanks!

1980 s46 mk1 and 1980(85reg) s66 mk1

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NEVER EVER USE EASY START IT BUGGERS THE ENGINE.
DONT LET ANYONE TELL YOU OTHERWISE.

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Hello,
Have a 1992 RB44 with cold start problems.
It is fitted with a Holt Lloyd start pilote - lever pulls out of the dash which delivers ethyl ether possibly.
1. How does this system work? Does one have to pump this dash lever and if so how many times?
2. Is it possible to 'refill' with ether?
Any assistance would be appreciated.
Thanks.

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Firstly I never have any probs with cold start , Been using an RB for 7 years. The Ether pump is more likely for use in true arctic conditions. Under the bonnet on the left should be the reservoir at other end of the tube to the inside pump . the pull up flap allows you to refill from a canister of the pressurised stuff. Presuming you know where to get some ?
I`ve never needed any but most MOD trucks appear to have this system.
Theres no glow plug on the RB like there is on the 50 Series.

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try heating the fuel filter boilng water or heat gun
better than easy start it fucks the engine.

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Has the air intake where the thermostart goes got a blanking plate John or is it a different air intake then a standard 110 phaser?
If it has a blanking plate then I guess a thermostart could be fitted but would need the wiring (pretty simple to add via a hold down switch, my motorhome is like that) and a fuel supply.

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Sorry Greg for late return ,no, on the intake/thermostart location ,   Where the single glowplug fits in the rear of the inlet manifold on a 50 series I think there is only the injector from the Cold Start Plunger as described above on the MOD   RB44.     Cheers  . It starts well on its own with no assistance.

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i have just replaced my starter battery with a 200 amp battery and it now just starts for fun

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Karrier
Rank：Ummmmmmm Score：11828 Posts：3686 From：England Register：02/10/2003 09:22:56	Date Posted：05/12/2005 09:43:44Copy HTML If you are down in the dumps because your dodge is not happy at starting in the cold weather then maybe you are not starting it correctly. You need to first turn the engine over for a short burst, then hold the key in the ignition at the point just before the starter kicks in, the ignition lights should dim when doing this, only a little but they should, hold for 10 to 15 seconds and with your foot right down on the throttle (and the clutch too), then flick the key and turn the engine over. In very cold weather you might need to do this a couple of times or hold the key for longer. This is how you get the "thermostart" to work, this is the thing that preheats some diesel and adds it as a spray into the air inlet manifold to aid starting. "Nothing travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws." Douglas Adams
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Rank：Newbie Dodger Score：2 Posts：1 From：Unknown Register：28/12/2005 07:54:18	Re：Cold Starting Problems? Date Posted：28/12/2005 08:02:40Copy HTML What a life saver. I have just bought a 25 year old Dodge S5.6 converted to a horse box and have been struggling to start it - especially throught the cold snap we are having. Giving up in dispair, I read the info below and 'hey presto', like magic, the good old perkins diesel kicked into life with little bother. Many thanks. Reply to : Karrier If you are down in the dumps because your dodge is not happy at starting in the cold weather then maybe you are not starting it correctly.You need to first turn the engine over for a short burst, then hold the key in the ignition at the point just before the starter kicks in, the ignition lights should dim when doing this, only a little but they should, hold for 10 to 15 seconds and with your foot right down on the throttle, then flick the key and turn the engine over.In very cold weather you might need to do this a couple of times or hold the key for longer.This is how you get the "thermostart" to work, this is the thing that preheats some diesel and adds it as a spray into the air inlet manifold to aid starting.
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Rank：Regular Dodger Score：48 Posts：8 From：Unknown Register：03/08/2006 08:28:31	Re：Cold Starting Problems? Date Posted：10/02/2007 10:08:02Copy HTML Reply to : Karrier If you are down in the dumps because your dodge is not happy at starting in the cold weather then maybe you are not starting it correctly.You need to first turn the engine over for a short burst, then hold the key in the ignition at the point just before the starter kicks in, the ignition lights should dim when doing this, only a little but they should, hold for 10 to 15 seconds and with your foot right down on the throttle, then flick the key and turn the engine over.In very cold weather you might need to do this a couple of times or hold the key for longer.This is how you get the "thermostart" to work, this is the thing that preheats some diesel and adds it as a spray into the air inlet manifold to aid starting.
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Rank：Regular Dodger Score：48 Posts：8 From：Unknown Register：03/08/2006 08:28:31	Re：Cold Starting Problems? Date Posted：10/02/2007 10:16:02Copy HTML Hi Karrier Read with interest your tips on cold starting. Do you have any advice for starting my dodge S56. (Horsebox) 1984. It has a preheat button and a starter button. Never sure how long to hold in pre-heat button and whether it actually works! The ignition key doesnt actually turn engine. The starter button does this. When the ignition is first turned on there is a loud buzzer noise, is this part of the ignition start procedure? Starting is always hit and miss!! Any help appreciated. Many thanks.
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Rank：Ummmmmmm Score：11828 Posts：3686 From：England Register：02/10/2003 09:22:56	Re：Cold Starting Problems? Date Posted：12/02/2007 06:41:37Copy HTML Reply to : horseydodge When the ignition is first turned on there is a loud buzzer noise, is this part of the ignition start procedure? Starting is always hit and miss!! Any help appreciated.Many thanks. The Buzzer is likely to be the Brake Vacuum warning. See the Vacuum gauge next to the Speedometer. When engine starts the needle probably moves from low to high & buzzer stops. It could be your brake vacuum has a small leak and is replenished when engine starts. This has been normal on my MkII`s . So long as warning buzzer does`nt come on when driving. All OK JB "Nothing travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws." Douglas Adams
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Rank：Dodge Fan Score：376 Posts：88 From：Unknown Register：11/07/2004 10:24:43	Re：Cold Starting Problems? Date Posted：04/03/2010 09:57:47Copy HTML works great!one question why the foot on the clutch as well? 1980 s46 mk1 and 1980(85reg) s66 mk1
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Rank：Ummmmmmm Score：11828 Posts：3686 From：England Register：02/10/2003 09:22:56	Re：Cold Starting Problems? Date Posted：05/03/2010 12:09:02Copy HTML It takes the strain off the engine because if the clutch is not pushed down the gearbox inputshaft also turns, so when the pedal is pushed down it saves ya battery that little bit of extra umphh "Nothing travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws." Douglas Adams
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Rank：Dodge Fan Score：376 Posts：88 From：Unknown Register：11/07/2004 10:24:43	Re：Cold Starting Problems? Date Posted：05/03/2010 12:53:36Copy HTML ah ok thanks! 1980 s46 mk1 and 1980(85reg) s66 mk1
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Rank：Ummmmish Score：2228 Posts：718 From：Unknown Register：27/04/2007 04:05:38	Re：Cold Starting Problems? Date Posted：19/06/2010 11:54:57Copy HTML NEVER EVER USE EASY START IT BUGGERS THE ENGINE. DONT LET ANYONE TELL YOU OTHERWISE.
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Rank：Newbie Dodger Score：2 Posts：1 From：USA Register：07/12/2010 02:36:01	Re：Cold Starting Problems? Date Posted：07/12/2010 02:58:06Copy HTML Hello, Have a 1992 RB44 with cold start problems. It is fitted with a Holt Lloyd start pilote - lever pulls out of the dash which delivers ethyl ether possibly. 1. How does this system work? Does one have to pump this dash lever and if so how many times? 2. Is it possible to 'refill' with ether? Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks.
Karrier	Share to: #10
Rank：Ummmmmmm Score：11828 Posts：3686 From：England Register：02/10/2003 09:22:56	Re：Cold Starting Problems? Date Posted：07/12/2010 05:56:46Copy HTML Firstly I never have any probs with cold start , Been using an RB for 7 years. The Ether pump is more likely for use in true arctic conditions. Under the bonnet on the left should be the reservoir at other end of the tube to the inside pump . the pull up flap allows you to refill from a canister of the pressurised stuff. Presuming you know where to get some ? I`ve never needed any but most MOD trucks appear to have this system. Theres no glow plug on the RB like there is on the 50 Series. "Nothing travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws." Douglas Adams
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Rank：Ummmmish Score：2228 Posts：718 From：Unknown Register：27/04/2007 04:05:38	Re：Cold Starting Problems? Date Posted：07/12/2010 11:22:45Copy HTML try heating the fuel filter boilng water or heat gun better than easy start it fucks the engine.
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Rank：Ummmmmmm Score：11828 Posts：3686 From：England Register：02/10/2003 09:22:56	Re：Cold Starting Problems? Date Posted：08/12/2010 01:45:08Copy HTML Has the air intake where the thermostart goes got a blanking plate John or is it a different air intake then a standard 110 phaser? If it has a blanking plate then I guess a thermostart could be fitted but would need the wiring (pretty simple to add via a hold down switch, my motorhome is like that) and a fuel supply. "Nothing travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws." Douglas Adams
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Rank：Ummmmmmm Score：11828 Posts：3686 From：England Register：02/10/2003 09:22:56	Re：Cold Starting Problems? Date Posted：16/12/2010 01:31:40Copy HTML Sorry Greg for late return ,no, on the intake/thermostart location , Where the single glowplug fits in the rear of the inlet manifold on a 50 series I think there is only the injector from the Cold Start Plunger as described above on the MOD RB44. Cheers . It starts well on its own with no assistance. "Nothing travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws." Douglas Adams
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Rank：Dodge Fan Score：198 Posts：43 From：United Kingdom Register：26/08/2012 07:55:41	Re：Cold Starting Problems? Date Posted：21/10/2012 04:28:35Copy HTML i have just replaced my starter battery with a 200 amp battery and it now just starts for fun