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PerkinsDodge
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(Date Posted:10/10/2006 22:07:25)
Well, that certainly makes interesting reading, and to be honest, perfect sense. Certainly makes me want to get a '50 even more now! To be honest, if the law and those paid to enforce it are so confused and unclear as to what the law actually is, who are we to worry about it? So come on you lot, build yourself a bed, cupboard and whatever else you need to qualify as a camper, change that taxation class, and hit the road.....! PD
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frankieflintstone
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(Date Posted:10/10/2006 22:10:05)
Reply to : Karrier
I had this emailed to me by the old jammydodgerIf you go to one of the motorhome web site forums its on there (a failed prosecution for driving a motorhome on a post '97 licence)look hereAs from what ican understand, he was a lad working for an American motorhome importerin Birmingham and was caught going down the M6 in the outside lanedoing 75mph and he only had a modern 3.5tone licence,the case went tocourt 3-4 times before it was thrown out buy the courts, as theprosecution could not find a law that he could be tried for.if you ask the DVLA they will just go blank on you concerningmotorhomes as there is actually no size or weight limit??? some willget indignant and start quoting goods vehicle limits but that isincorrect
Trouble with grey area's is when someone paints them black or white someone comes unstuck.
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Karrier
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(Date Posted:10/10/2006 22:55:00)
But who is going to paint the grey area? Not the DVLA not VOSA, only a new law and this will mean the government having to do their white and green papers, putting it through a process of discussion the transport department etc etc....
How many big RV's are over 7500kgs?
How many rich, mp's, ministers, civil servents own one and don't have a licience letting them dive over 7500kgs or even 3500kgs, loads I would have thought, I know of one, I know this mp and he has a soddin great 10 tonne coach / motorhome, I bet he never passed his HGV.
But as Frankie says "Trouble with grey area's is when someone paints them black or white someone comes unstuck."
and at some point, someone will.
Or as the other Frankie (goes to hollywood) said "Relax"
kArRiEr, with a licience to thrill
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Chazzz
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(Date Posted:23/10/2006 00:30:02)
Been driving, & often living in, converted coaches for 25 years, there has never been any
suggestion that I need an HGV licence for them once they are registered as Private.
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frankieflintstone
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(Date Posted:23/10/2006 12:05:11)
I have gone through many changes in licence rules since passing my driving test aged 17 in 1960, my first licence covered me to drive vehicles up to a maximum unladen weight of 3 tons, tons as in 2240lbs per ton not the modern tonnes of 1000 kg, in 1964 aged 21 I could drive vehicles that today are classed as HGV / LGV without the need of a further test, at this time I could not drive buses without a further test PSV. About 1971 came new legislation regarding HGV licencing people like myself who currently drove a HGV and could supply proof from an employer that they were in the habit of driving large vehicles were granted a HGV licence under grandfather rights, as a result of this change drivers without the grandfather rights could not drive today what they could drive yesterday without taking a further test, daft as it may seem this is what happened.
There were many other daft areas regarding motor cycles, three wheeled vehicles with or without reverse and who knows what else all eventually leading to current rules where today it's OK, tomorrow it's not unfortunatly these changes we have to accept.
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The problem with this topic is people do not want to ask the question in case they don't like the answer, look here
Driving motorhomes
Are you thinking of buying or hiring a motorhome (motor caravan) to get to your holiday destination? Or maybe you want to import one from another country. Before you decide you'll need to check the entitlement you hold on your driving licence and the size of motorhome you are going to drive.
You will need to check that your driving licence gives you entitlement to drive a motorhome. The categories shown on your licence allow you to drive vehicles up to certain weights, known as the maximum authorised mass (MAM).
Category B (car) entitlement
You can drive vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes MAM, together with a trailer not exceeding 750 kilograms. To tow a heavier trailer you will need category B+E entitlement.
Category C1 entitlement
You can drive vehicles over 3.5 tonnes MAM but less than 7.5 tonnes (with or without a trailer up to 750 kilograms). To tow a heavier trailer you will need category C1+E entitlement.
If you passed the category C1+E test:
- before 1 January 1997 (shown as C1+E (107) on the licence) you are limited to driving such combinations up to a combined weight of 8.25 tonnes eg motorhome 6 tonnes, trailer 2.25 tonnes
- after 1 January 1997 you are entitled to drive combinations up to 12 tonnes in weight where the MAM of the trailer exceeds 750 kilograms but does not exceed the unladen weight of the towing vehicle
Category C entitlement
You can drive vehicles over 7.5 tonnes MAM. To draw a trailer over 750 kilograms you will need category C+E entitlement. Motorhomes of this weight cannot be driven on a standard category B (car) licence, irrespective of when that category B entitlement was obtained.
FULL DETAILS HERE
to see the rules and then decide if your licence covers you or not, after reading the page and you think you are ok to drive without the required class of licence please post a message as to why you think you may be exempt from the regulations.
We all want to drive our vehicles and have our own version of fun but the laughing stops when someone who does not have the correct licence or going back to a earlier topic has mislead an insurance company in order to obtain cover comes unstuck.
If you are unsure about your entitlemant contact the DVLA on this number
0870 240 0009
quoting your driver number and you will be able to ask the question but rember you may not be able to prove a verbal answer, it is better to write to them and get your answer in black and white, the answer may disapoint you but maybe it is better to be safe than sorry, always remember an unlicenced driver is not insured.
This posting by Frankie Flintstone grumpy old bu**er and probably the grandfather of the site but licenced to drive practically anything with wheels so there.
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dodgenic
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Re:DO you need to downrate to 3.5 tonne with post 97 licience, looks like NOT!!!!! Read this.
(Date Posted:09/12/2008 02:51:45)
But if you get pulled on a baby licence if no one fully knows the rules ie vosa, dvla, cops then as long as you havnt comitted a crime ie driving 75mph in fast lane then in theory you should get away with it.
Ive driven my dodge 4600kg for 2years on my licence and just (why!) bought a Bedford TK 7.5ton... maybe its a matter of time for me!!!
But i see it as aslong as i dont do anything terrible and get pulled then itll be points a fine and dont do it again which youve got to balance with the cost of doing the test which is around £1000.!!!!
hummm. lifes fulla risks.
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